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Which Card Is Better - The Club Carlson Visa or Starwood American Express?

Aug. 18, 2013
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Which Card Is Better - The Club Carlson Visa or Starwood American Express?
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TPG follower Eric is weighing his hotel credit card options and wants to know:

"‪@thepointsguy‬ would you recommend the Starwood Preferred Guest 30,000 point American Express card or the Club Carlson 85,000 point Visa?"

I think both these cards are really valuable, which is why I have both of them. The two cards have similar annual fees – the Starwood American Express has a $65 annual fee waived for the first year and the Club Carlson Premier Rewards Visa Signature Card has a $75 annual fee.

Right now there is a limited-time offer until September 3, 2013 for the Starwood American Express where you can get 3o,000 points after spending $5,000 in the first 6 months. This offer may seem small compared to the 85,000 Gold points that you'll receive after spending $2,500 on the Club Carlson Visa Signature card in the first 90 days, but the Starwood redemption levels are very different from those of Club Carlson. A top-tier night at a Starwood property would cost 20,000 to 30,000 points per night where if you were booking a top-tier award night using Club Carlson Gold points it would cost 50,000 points per night.

With the Club Carlson Visa there is a 85,000 point sign up offer and you will receive 45,000 points annually.
With the Club Carlson Visa there is a 85,000 point sign up offer and you will receive 45,000 points annually.

These cards are issued by different banks - Starwood by American Express and Club Carlson by US Bank. The cards also have different benefits that end up bringing you more value than their annual fees cost.

With the Club Carlson card, every year you renew your membership you get 40,000 Gold points which is enough to stay in a Category 4 hotel (38,000 points) that would cost more than $75 per night, such as the Park Inn Berlin Alexanderplatz not too far from where I'm staying in Berlin, where room rates are 100 EUR ($130) right now.

Speaking of elite status, the Club Carlson card also gives you automatic Gold status, which includes benefits like 2,000 bonus points for online booking, an in-room welcome gift, 72-hour room availability guarantee and a 50% bonus on earned points (bringing your hotel-spend earning potentially up to 40 points per dollar - 20 base points, 10 points with your elite bonus and another 10 points with the credit card).

While the Starwood American Express doesn't give you free nights or automatic elite status, it does credit you with 2 stays or 5 nights toward elite status qualification every year, so that saves you from spending two more stays which would easily be $65, and if you spend $30,000 in a calendar year, you get automatic Gold status. You also earn 2 points per $1 spent on qualifying Starwood charges.

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The Radisson Blu Royal Hotel, Dublin
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In terms of earning points when using your credit card, the Starwood American Express isn’t as lucrative since you only earn one point for every dollar spent on everyday expenses and 2 points per dollar spent at participating SPG hotels. Compare that to the Club Carlson card where you're earning 10 points per dollar spent at Carlson properties and 5 points per dollar spent on every other expense. $5,000 in spending will get you you a free night at a top Radisson Blu around the world, but it would cost you $20,000 on the Starwood card.

However, when you really get down to it, what matters most when choosing a hotel credit card is where you tend to stay. In general, I think the perks of the Club Carlson card are more lucrative if you stay at a lot of Club Carlson properties. Starwood has a really big network in the US from the Four Points by Sheraton to W Hotels and St. Regis, but only about 1,200 properties total across the world. Club Carlson properties in the US are more sparse and there are only a few really nice Radisson Blu properties like the one in Chicago, which I think is fantastic.

With Starwood points, because of the high caliber of their hotels, you can often get 3, 4 or even more cents per point in value, especially with great redemption options like their Cash & Points.

Carlson has some great properties like the Radisson Blu 1919 in Reykjavik.

Internationally I've stayed at some great Radisson Blu properties that turned out to be good value propositions because room rates can be high, like at the Radisson Blue Royal Hotel, Dublin which was lovely, and an awesome one in Iceland, the Radisson Blu 1919 right in the heart of Reykjavik, where room rates are around the $300 mark ($290 on some dates in August and September) but you can score a room for 44,000 Gold points.

In general I don't think Club Carlson's top-tier properties measure up to Starwood's and I find I often get more value from my Starpoints, even though the lower earning rates can make Starpoints harder to rack up. So if you stay in places where Club Carlson has good coverage and room rates can be high, I actually think the Club Carlson card might be a better choice.

However, the best benefit of the Club Carlson card is that when you redeem Gold points for at least a two-night stay you get the last night free essentially saving you hundreds if not thousands of dollars - and basically benefiting you with half-price awards depending on how you maximize it - and that's why the Club Carlson Visa might be a better overall option for you.

SPG's Airline Transfer Partners
SPG's Airline Transfer Partners

The ace in the Starwood card's hole, though, is the ability to transfer Starwood points to 31 different airline frequent programs at a 1:1 ratio for most, and a 5,000-point bonus when you make a transfer of 20,000 points - a 25% bonus. But considering you're only earning 1 point per dollar on the majority of your spend, unless you're spending a ton of money on the card it doesn’t make too much sense to leverage that card only for airline transfers.

By contrast, while you can convert Club Carlson Gold points to airline miles with 25 different programs including American, British Airways, Delta, United and US Airways, this option was recently devalued and the conversion ratio is now 10 Gold points to 1 airline miles.

To put it another way, from the sign-up bonus on the Starwood card, you'd end up with 35,000 airline miles with American (for example) while the 85,000 Gold points from the Club Carlson Visa sign-up bonus would just net you 8,500 miles.

There is really no clear cut answer to tell you which card is better since there are great aspects of both cards. Each card has a lot of perks for different needs, but if you really know how to maximize its benefits including those free award nights and you plan to stay in a lot of Carlson properties, the Club Carlson Premier Visa could be your cards. However, since these cards come from two different issuers, I would just get both if you can swing it and meet the minimum spending requirement. I carry both myself and get tons of value from each, and there's no reason you shouldn't, too.

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  • $120 Uber Cash on Gold: Add your Gold Card to your Uber account and get $10 in Uber Cash each month to use on orders and rides in the U.S. when you select an American Express Card for your transaction. That’s up to $120 Uber Cash annually. Plus, after using your Uber Cash, use your Card to earn 4X Membership Rewards® points for Uber Eats purchases made with restaurants or U.S. supermarkets. Point caps and terms apply.
  • $84 Dunkin' Credit: With the $84 Dunkin' Credit, you can earn up to $7 in monthly statement credits after you enroll and pay with the American Express® Gold Card at U.S. Dunkin' locations. Enrollment is required to receive this benefit.
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  • Explore over 1,000 upscale hotels worldwide with The Hotel Collection and receive a $100 credit towards eligible charges* with every booking of two nights or more through AmexTravel.com. *Eligible charges vary by property.
  • No Foreign Transaction Fees.
  • Annual Fee is $325.
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4XEarn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on purchases at restaurants worldwide, on up to $50,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
4XEarn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent at US supermarkets, on up to $25,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
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  • Intro Offer

    As High As 100,000 points. Find Out Your Offer.
  • Annual Fee

    $325
  • Recommended Credit

    Excellent to Good

Why We Chose It

There’s a lot to love about the Amex Gold. It’s a fan favorite thanks to its fantastic bonus-earning rates at restaurants worldwide and at U.S. supermarkets. If you’re hitting the skies soon, you’ll also earn bonus Membership Rewards points on travel. Paired with up to $120 in Uber Cash annually (for U.S. Uber rides or Uber Eats orders, card must be added to Uber app and you can redeem with any Amex card), up to $120 in annual dining statement credits to be used with eligible partners, an up to $84 Dunkin’ credit each year at U.S. Dunkin Donuts and an up to $100 Resy credit annually, there’s no reason that foodies shouldn’t add the Amex Gold to their wallet. These benefits alone are worth more than $400, which offsets the $325 annual fee on the Amex Gold card. Enrollment is required for select benefits. (Partner offer)

Pros

  • 4 points per dollar spent on dining at restaurants worldwide and U.S. supermarkets (on the first $50,000 in purchases per calendar year; then 1 point per dollar spent thereafter and $25,000 in purchases per calendar year; then 1 point per dollar spent thereafter, respectively)
  • 3 points per dollar spent on flights booked directly with the airline or with amextravel.com
  • Packed with credits foodies will enjoy
  • Solid welcome bonus

Cons

  • Not as useful for those living outside the U.S.
  • Some may have trouble using Uber and other dining credits
  • You may be eligible for as high as 100,000 Membership Rewards® Points after you spend $6,000 in eligible purchases on your new Card in your first 6 months of Card Membership. Welcome offers vary and you may not be eligible for an offer. Apply to know if you’re approved and find out your exact welcome offer amount – all with no credit score impact. If you’re approved and choose to accept the Card, your score may be impacted.
  • Earn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on purchases at restaurants worldwide, on up to $50,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
  • Earn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent at US supermarkets, on up to $25,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
  • Earn 3X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on flights booked directly with airlines or on AmexTravel.com.
  • Earn 2X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on prepaid hotels and other eligible purchases booked on AmexTravel.com.
  • Earn 1X Membership Rewards® point per dollar spent on all other eligible purchases.
  • $120 Uber Cash on Gold: Add your Gold Card to your Uber account and get $10 in Uber Cash each month to use on orders and rides in the U.S. when you select an American Express Card for your transaction. That’s up to $120 Uber Cash annually. Plus, after using your Uber Cash, use your Card to earn 4X Membership Rewards® points for Uber Eats purchases made with restaurants or U.S. supermarkets. Point caps and terms apply.
  • $84 Dunkin' Credit: With the $84 Dunkin' Credit, you can earn up to $7 in monthly statement credits after you enroll and pay with the American Express® Gold Card at U.S. Dunkin' locations. Enrollment is required to receive this benefit.
  • $100 Resy Credit: Get up to $100 in statement credits each calendar year after you pay with the American Express® Gold Card to dine at U.S. Resy restaurants or make other eligible Resy purchases. That's up to $50 in statement credits semi-annually. Enrollment required.
  • $120 Dining Credit: Satisfy your cravings, sweet or savory, with the $120 Dining Credit. Earn up to $10 in statement credits monthly when you pay with the American Express® Gold Card at Grubhub, The Cheesecake Factory, Goldbelly, Wine.com, and Five Guys. Enrollment required.
  • Explore over 1,000 upscale hotels worldwide with The Hotel Collection and receive a $100 credit towards eligible charges* with every booking of two nights or more through AmexTravel.com. *Eligible charges vary by property.
  • No Foreign Transaction Fees.
  • Annual Fee is $325.
  • Terms Apply.