New Virgin America Redemption Options on Virgin Atlantic and Australia: Worth It?
Virgin America Elevate members can now use points to redeem for flights on Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Australia, but before you get too excited, fasten your seatbelts because the fuel surcharges, taxes and fees can get out of this world.
Elevate points can normally be used towards any Virgin America flight for about 1.6-2.1 cents per point towards airfare. So you can buy a $400 New York to Los Angeles flight for between 19,000 and 25,000 points. Not bad. So will you be able to get more or less value out of international redemptions? It all depends.
Virgin Atlantic:
You need to use the calculator on this page to figure out how many points and how much cash you need, but I priced a couple popular redemptions:
NYC- London
For economy awards, I doubt this redemption method makes sense since the taxes/fees are a whopping $650. I've seen airfare to London on the NYC route for cheaper than that, so always price it out before you go ahead with a redemption, because you don't earn points on award tickets. If the fare is over $1,000, you'd be getting at least 2 cents per point, so it would be better than redeeming for Virgin America flights.
Upper class (business class) is 35,000 points, which is low for a European roundtrip, but remember, at a 2:1 ratio of Amex Membership Rewards points to 1 Elevate point (though there is currently a 30% transfer bonus promo), you'd be spending 70,000 Amex points on top of a whopping $1,100 in taxes/fees. These tickets can easily cost over $3,000, so those 70,000 Amex points will still save you $1,900 or 2.7 cents each - not great, but not bad either if you don't mind laying out that amount of cash.
Virgin Australia
Virgin Australia is also a partner with Delta airlines and they require 150,000 miles and about $600 for a roundtrip business award. With Virgin America, the same award costs 80,000 points (123,200 Amex points with the current 30% transfer bonus) and $849, which is also a good-not-great deal in my book. The advantage with the Delta award is that you can add on legs within the US at no extra fee as long as they are at the low-mileage level and with Virgin America they charge a huge premium for domestic legs (an extra 150,000 points to leave from JFK for a total of 230,000 Elevate points).
Summary
I'm not freaking out over these new options since they require a hefty cash, but I welcome new options and I do believe value exists for some people (rarely for economy class travel). Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Australia generally have good award availability (I guess not being in a major alliance helps keep inventory open) and they both have reputations for good customer service and innovative customer experiences.
As with all miles and points decision, do the math for your personal situation. If you are about to shell out a premium for tickets and transferring a relatively small amount of Amex points to Virgin America will save you thousands, then go for it! Alternatively, if the fees on an award come close to the amount of buying a ticket outright, then I'd opt to save your points for more valuable redemptions.
Seth at Wandering Aramean does some great analysis on this redemption option as well.
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- 3 points per dollar spent on flights booked directly with the airline or with amextravel.com
- Packed with credits foodies will enjoy
- Solid welcome bonus
Cons
- Not as useful for those living outside the U.S.
- Some may have trouble using Uber and other dining credits
- You may be eligible for as high as 100,000 Membership Rewards® Points after you spend $6,000 in eligible purchases on your new Card in your first 6 months of Card Membership. Welcome offers vary and you may not be eligible for an offer. Apply to know if you’re approved and find out your exact welcome offer amount – all with no credit score impact. If you’re approved and choose to accept the Card, your score may be impacted.
- Earn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on purchases at restaurants worldwide, on up to $50,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
- Earn 4X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent at US supermarkets, on up to $25,000 in purchases per calendar year, then 1X points for the rest of the year.
- Earn 3X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on flights booked directly with airlines or on AmexTravel.com.
- Earn 2X Membership Rewards® points per dollar spent on prepaid hotels and other eligible purchases booked on AmexTravel.com.
- Earn 1X Membership Rewards® point per dollar spent on all other eligible purchases.
- $120 Uber Cash on Gold: Add your Gold Card to your Uber account and get $10 in Uber Cash each month to use on orders and rides in the U.S. when you select an American Express Card for your transaction. That’s up to $120 Uber Cash annually. Plus, after using your Uber Cash, use your Card to earn 4X Membership Rewards® points for Uber Eats purchases made with restaurants or U.S. supermarkets. Point caps and terms apply.
- $84 Dunkin' Credit: With the $84 Dunkin' Credit, you can earn up to $7 in monthly statement credits after you enroll and pay with the American Express® Gold Card at U.S. Dunkin' locations. Enrollment is required to receive this benefit.
- $100 Resy Credit: Get up to $100 in statement credits each calendar year after you pay with the American Express® Gold Card to dine at U.S. Resy restaurants or make other eligible Resy purchases. That's up to $50 in statement credits semi-annually. Enrollment required.
- $120 Dining Credit: Satisfy your cravings, sweet or savory, with the $120 Dining Credit. Earn up to $10 in statement credits monthly when you pay with the American Express® Gold Card at Grubhub, The Cheesecake Factory, Goldbelly, Wine.com, and Five Guys. Enrollment required.
- Explore over 1,000 upscale hotels worldwide with The Hotel Collection and receive a $100 credit towards eligible charges* with every booking of two nights or more through AmexTravel.com. *Eligible charges vary by property.
- No Foreign Transaction Fees.
- Annual Fee is $325.
- Terms Apply.